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Post by Engel Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:17 am

splinty wrote: There are some people you know well on forums and you know they'd never have malicious intentions ~ and Trolldog you're one of those people, I know you'd never deliberately set out to hurt or upset anyone, please don't have a heavy heart over this when you've done everything you can to put it right.

exactly. Group hug
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Post by rainyday Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:41 am

I really enjoy a good debate & hearing all sides of the issue. I'm not offended & didn't read anything overly offensive here. Sometimes we all need a "Devil's Advocate" opinion to shake things up and cause us to re-think the issue.

In the grand scheme of things I don't think TB's re-releasing 1 retired bead out of many, many retired beads is going to destroy the collectable market.
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Post by Fairy3 Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:51 am

Group hug for everyone who may feel they need one!
I for one Love this forum because we are all different but I do feel that everyone is LOVING and KIND and HELPFUL in their own way no matter the differences.
So I really hope no one feels the need to leave because of that I know I don't Hug
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Post by Catsworld Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:03 am

Trolldog,
you need not have a heavy heart, I have read it all and also apologize that I have caused you trouble now. I am not going to write much now, tears are blurring my sight, but be reassured, I have always valued you very much on this forum, as well as other members.
Love Love Love Hug cat Rose

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I also say thank you to some others, Love
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Post by Fera Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:14 am

Bunny dance Yey! So glad to see you are here Catsworld! Please stay!
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Post by Kathleen Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:16 am

Please stay Catsworld Hug
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Post by Catsworld Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:28 am

Thank you Fera and Kathleen, very kind Love
but please, I beg you, stop writing now about me, that is not what I meant by all this, I only logged in to write something to Trolldog because I do not want to make her feel heavy-hearted, and because she had moved my to real tears.
But I beg all of you to stop writing about me, of course you should further discuss this, but please leave me out of this now.

thank you! Love Rose
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Post by Kathleen Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:35 am

No i hope this discussion stops
I'm really finished with that YES, NO re- releasing

Everybody has his own opinion about it,and i get the feeling all these does more bad things than good things Neutral

I really have enough off it.

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Post by GRUMPY Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:05 am

oh gosh I dont think I want to read the next 18 pages.. mmmm it's good and it's bad, I wonder how you would feel though if you someone else's ring and you want it.. I mean everything is for sale isn't it.. gold diamonds etc.. and yet that person tells you You CANT have it. As it's an exclusive design totally locked to the designer and client. End of story.. so you get someone to copy it.. big deal are you happy now? Look you can have anything you want but not everyone is happy with a copy.. So......... you want the real thing but you don't like the price... you rather have it at the old price.. sorry but is the house you live in the same price it was 10 years ago or even 5? Prices go up and down.. Some beads really attract me but I buy when I can afford it.. if I cant I have to let go of it.. To be honest I am absolutely jumping up and down for money right now spending most of my spare income on trips to my mam as she has bad health but.. I am not going to sell my beads, my house or soul for doing it. Even if I could sell beads at a profit. It's all becoming such a frenzy this bead collecting.. I would say... chill chill chill as TB seems to change their minds at the flick of a button and as such they are controlling the market. I feel that TB is starting to treat us like sheep so we follow look at all the releases! It's not normal to want every one of them since 1976 it's only a piece of jewelry. Sheep jump in front of cars .... they are totally mad when they are free roaming like in Wales, have you looked at your bank balance lately? So it didn't all go in the TB HQ fund but into collectors or traders accounts perhaps that is what really rattled TB.

PS I just went back to pages and I see that the discussion became almost personalised ... I am so sorry to read that I hope we can all stay friends here.. Chill girls..... think about the effect this gossip of TB plans is doing to our own sanity... Not right.. i love you all equally and as kathleen said the yes no.. should stop..on the other hand perhaps it would be wiser to discuss why we can get so upset.. over a piece of silver and glass..
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Post by Fera Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:48 pm

Agree
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Post by lisa Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:41 pm

Internet discussions are so difficult because the written word can be interpreted so many different ways. I love the lively discussions with different points of view because it opens my mind to new possibilities. It's sad when people read more into posts than was intended and get hurt feelings. I hope no one decides to leave for good because of this.

After reading through all these pages, I've certainly got mixed emotions about releasing old retired beads. Since the releases of Troll are something I have no control over, I will just wait to see what happens next and enjoy the beads I have.
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Post by rainyday Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:29 pm

Kathleen wrote:No i hope this discussion stops
I'm really finished with that YES, NO re- releasing

Everybody has his own opinion about it,and i get the feeling all these does more bad things than good things Neutral

I really have enough off it.


But I like debates! How can my opinion be changed if I don't hear other information, opinions & ideas that may cause me to re-think my own beliefs? I think discussion is healthy, but people must work to keep it objective and not take comments personally/emotionally. Everyone is also free not to continue on reading/writing in a thread if they don't want to see or hear anymore of the topic.

As a blogger I like to hear everyone's opinions, and then when I write on my blog I know TB's US & DK are regular readers, and I think it helps to get what collectors are thinking & feeling out to them. I always discern between what is my personal opinion versus what I am reading on the forums.

I still think there is good value in these discussions, and I appreciate other people's opinions even if I do not share them. Indeed this thread has softened my views about rereleases quite a bit.
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Post by Pandabee(uk) Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:33 pm

rainyday wrote:

But I like debates! How can my opinion be changed if I don't hear other information, opinions & ideas that may cause me to re-think my own beliefs? I think discussion is healthy, but people must work to keep it objective and not take comments personally/emotionally. Everyone is also free not to continue on reading/writing in a thread if they don't want to see or hear anymore of the topic.

As a blogger I like to hear everyone's opinions, and then when I write on my blog I know TB's US & DK are regular readers, and I think it helps to get what collectors are thinking & feeling out to them. I always discern between what is my personal opinion versus what I am reading on the forums.

I still think there is good value in these discussions, and I appreciate other people's opinions even if I do not share them. Indeed this thread has softened my views about rereleases quite a bit.


I really couldn't have said it better myself! Agree no really lol!
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Post by GRUMPY Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:48 pm

Absolutely that is what a forum should be discuss "hard" let it rip but remember it's a discussion not to become personalised after all thats what discussions are for to express and learn from each other if possible.

Some members (dutch) have watched gooise vrouwen I am still ploughing my way through it .. but its about friendship and once you make a friendship you go through thick and thin.. silly little outside marketing, well outside our control should not effect the friendliness of our forum. Friends in the making...
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Post by Mouseoncheese Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:13 pm

I am late to this discussion, at page 18 even beyond fashionably late :-) I am sorry Catsworld left, even happier she has come back.

I love the way this forum can cope with vigorous debate, it really makes it a great place to be. I know it's only daft bits of glass and silver (and gold) but it's the designs that count!

I am in so many minds on the re- releases I have lost track of what I really think. I didn't have a Joyful so I was so pleased to get one at £59 instead of £590 and I thought re-releases were great. OTH I bought a crane at £500 I don't know how I would/will react if they come out next??? I will be pleased for others but also feel a bit of an idiot for myself. :-( but it was my choice to spend that much and only myself to blame, TBHQ will do what they will and I really hope they aren't influenced by the likes of me or the few dealers who profit from the retired Market.

But, so few people have the really old beads like Greenlandic Woman, beer crates and Train that they fan be released again without controversy??
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Post by Trolldog Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:50 pm

Catsworld wrote:Trolldog,
you need not have a heavy heart, I have read it all and also apologize that I have caused you trouble now. I am not going to write much now, tears are blurring my sight, but be reassured, I have always valued you very much on this forum, as well as other members.
Love Love Love Hug cat Rose

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Thank you Catsworld, very much. I will not write much either, same reason as you. Big Hugs back to you and I hope you are feeling better and you had a wonderful Birthday full of lovely beads!!! I am so glad you are here!!!

I would also like to thank everyone else for their kindness and support of both Catsworld and myself during this situation, both the public posts and PMs. You all mean so very much to me, and I don't want to lose a one of you. I may not always agree with everyone, but I do respect you all and value each and everyone here. No bead is worth losing a friend over, as is no opinion or post. I deeply regret that my post hurt Catsworld and any one else. Big giant hugs to everyone!!!!! Group hug

And thank you Sita for letting me have the opportunity to make this right on here. Some Admins would not have, and I think most everyone knows what I mean.
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Post by GRUMPY Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:00 am

Some Admins would not have, and I think most everyone knows what I mean.


HEAR HEAR DRUM ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Post by Trolldog Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:01 am

GRUMPY wrote:Some Admins would not have, and I think most everyone knows what I mean.


HEAR HEAR DRUM ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Yes, you know very well, don't ya??? That didin't take much pondering did it???

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Post by Michelle Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:07 am

I dont under stand this. If it is well it is well Very Happy Be happy.

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Post by Trolldog Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:09 am

Michelle wrote:I dont under stand this. If it is well it is well Very Happy Be happy.

All is well Michelle, and I love your new avatar also!!!

I was talking about another place where we were not allowed to say "some" things. I was just saying I was thankful I had the chance to say I was sorry on this forum.
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Post by Michelle Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:15 am

Thank You.
May be so much I dont under stand. I am to happy we can be able to talk from diffrent sides.

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Post by Trolldog Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:21 am

Michelle wrote:Thank You.
May be so much I dont under stand. I am to happy we can be able to talk from diffrent sides.

Totally agree and please know that everyone who is communicating here with English as not their first language is doing a fabulous job and much better than I could ever do with another language!!! And...we are always happy to explain if something is not understood. I love talking with you guys, and I can understand you VERY well!!!
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Post by GRUMPY Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:51 am

lol hear hear it s ok michelle some of us got long TB history.. hiihiihih it only comes out in a while which is why sometime you may see us members having fierce discussions but we tend to trash things out on facebook if necessary most of us are friends.. by now.
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Post by kionee Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:48 am

Mouseoncheese wrote:But, so few people have the really old beads like Greenlandic Woman, beer crates and Train that they fan be released again without controversy??

That's what I thought at first too MoC, but IMO for trollbeads it's not about re-releasing any old bead ... it's about re-releasing old beads and make a profit.
I think a re-released crane would sell very good, but the bear crates? I don't think they will sell many of them.
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Post by Brightonbelle Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:44 am

kionee wrote:
Mouseoncheese wrote:But, so few people have the really old beads like Greenlandic Woman, beer crates and Train that they fan be released again without controversy??

That's what I thought at first too MoC, but IMO for trollbeads it's not about re-releasing any old bead ... it's about re-releasing old beads and make a profit.
I think a re-released crane would sell very good, but the bear crates? I don't think they will sell many of them.

Laughing Laughing Laughing It would be fun to guess how many Beer Crates would sell in the whole world. I think it would be less than 20. Greenlandic Woman might be more popular though. I would like to have one even if it was difficult to use in a design.
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